What We're Trying To Accomplish
Tony's recent post touches on poetic ambitions. All poets have ambitions in some form or another. Joe Massey took the more extreme end of the spectrum as a pure ambition of the poem (and only the poem) and surely there are those on the complete other end with a focused ambition of the "career" in poetry. Even if one does not agree fully (or at all) with Joe's stance -- his makes by far more interesting reading than someone who publicly plots out his or her conquest of all things poetry. "1. Get MFA/Ph.D in this "ranked" program 2. Place poems in these journals 3. Win these awards 4. Publish books with this "reputable" press 5. Secure tenure-track position at this university 6. Nail three students per term (two graduate, one undergrad) 7. Die"
OK, I've never read anything quite that obnoxious on any poetry blogs, but I have observed bits and pieces and while I do agree with Tony's -- hey, do what you gotta do, I'm not judging position -- I do worry that these poets will soon (if it hasn't happened already) turn on poetry -- no matter what the success outcome/quotient turns out to be. Maybe that's just one of the ways to follow the poet tradition -- set yourself up for assured unhappiness.
When scholars are pronouncing "there's only 20 good poets alive today" or when poets are tearing other poets apart over who's the "real" poet or the "true" genius -- I mean, who's really "ruining" poetry?
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Nobody is ruining poetry.
It's a myth. It's the Loch ness monster.
When I was a kid, my uncle Marty came back from a vacation in Scottland. I asked him if he saw the Loch ness monster, and Marty, being the kind of guy that would critique a little girl for blowing her Christmas money on a Barbie doll and Blondie album instead of investing that $20 in stocks (really, in 10 years what's that doll and record going to be doing for me?), disabused me of my Loch ness monster notion. He said, "You know, it's not a very big lake. If they wanted, they could drag a net through it and catch the monster if they really thought it was there. They don't, because if they did, the tourists would stop coming. It's a scam for attention."
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Random thoughts:
* There are so many ways to be soulless -- why not pick one that pays better? Or earns you a little more respect with friends and family?
* Career or Vocation? I pick vocation -- what do you pick? Hey, I'm not judging! (Oh, but I hope you pick vocation -- both you and your work will be much more interesting.)
* Of course poets' lives matter -- to some degree at least. "Hey random person on the street, tell me everything you know about Sylvia Plath." Head. Oven. "Hart Crane." Didn't grab the lifesaver! "Elizabeth Bishop." Who?
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Ok, I'm veering off into tangents. Again.
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Random tangent:
I use WAY!!!!!! too many exclamation points. I'm aware of this, but I just can't help myself!
This is especially embarassing for a woman in her 30's!!!!!!!!!!
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PF Potvin once told me I was a very bright light bulb and some people have trouble with that much wattage.
He was correct -- but I decided that I wasn't going to soften my glow to be easier on certain sensitive folks eyes. This means I had to accept some will prefer not to share my company.
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One time I had a "career" and while I excelled at most of the tasks, I wasn't willing to do the things one needed to do to be truly "successful" -- i.e. get all the sweet promotions. I was blunt and a little too bossy for my mousy boss. Sure, I was the gal he always ran to when something needed to be done, but I was a problem. I was young, immature and stubborn.
I was always pointing out "how things should be."
Also, my hair was too straight and too long and I wore blue nail polish and jeans to the office.
Choosing "career" means you must to some degree play the game.
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I still enjoy a good game of Warcraft, but as a busy mom, I don't get to play as often I'd like.
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A career is not a requirement for writing poetry.
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Not having a "career" in poetry does not make what you do a "hobby."
Not having a "career" does not mean you're not writing great poems or not publishing or not making an "impact" in the world of poetry.
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Am I talking semantics or how we look at what we do?
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Well, I'm TRYING (!!!) to discuss how we perceive ourselves, our poems and our ambitions.
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Not sure how I'm doing.
Someone will tell me, I'm sure.
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An editor of a new magazine (first issue not yet out) recently invited me to submit work. I know this editor likes my work because he once wrote a thoughtful letter saying so. The letter made me feel very good and I appreciated it.
From time to time I receive invitations from editors to submit and I'm aware an invitation does not equal an acceptance and have had work declined in some instances. The way of the world. In the above instance the editor did not take my work. He said that he liked the poems, but his co-editor found them "too glib" and would I be willing to send more poems so he could avoid fighting another battle?
If this editor said they found the poems not to be working or certain lines flat or some kind of direct criticique -- I probably would have sent different poems. But if his co-editor considered them "too glib" or "light" or "silly" or whatever, I'd rather not waste either of our time. I don't mean that dismissively or rudely. I have no idea who the co-editor is -- but that comment makes clear to me that he's not receptive to my work, he either does not understand or does not value what it is I'm trying to do in my poems. That's OK. I'm sooooo used to it.
My work doesn't belong in that publication -- at least not right now. So the last thing I'm going to do is try to scrounge up some poems (or write new ones) specifically as a "fit." That feels so incredibly wrong.
For me and for that co-editor.
I'm not that co-editor's girl.
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Yes, the ambition for the poem has to the main, driving reason for writing. That's one of those no-brainers that sometimes gets muddled when we're distracted with with what other poets "have" or "don't have" or whatever latest distraction disrupts our napping.
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It's so easy to be distracted. I catch myself falling into that trap all the time. Everyday I fight against distraction. Sometimes distraction wins.
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What are my other "poetry" ambitions? I want my work read, by both poets and non-poets. I want them to like it. I want to help other poets find new readers. I want readers to like that work too.
And I want other poets to think I'm pretty.
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All kidding aside, what magazines/presses do you think poets should try to get published in to get noticed. Which are the top ten you feel should be on the list. I don't care about anyone else's opinion. I want to know yours. Also I want to think that they should have a web site so I can check them out. I am like totally out of the loop here. I have not been visiting anyone. I am out of it because many times when I do visit an online publication I become disenchanted with them.
Didi
Reb just a few more things off the top of my head while I still have something to think about before I get ready to go to work....my career being a cruise specialist....Yes I sell cruises. It pays my bills, I come home take care of kids make sure they have showered,eaten the turtles been fed the dogs have fresh water in their bowl and I sit on this computer...not to write but to publish...to read submissions to work on codes and whatnots to visit the few blogs I do care about and do the same thing the next day.....
Oh I forgot what I was really going to say.....Oh yes now I remember it has to do with writing. I started writing poems but later it did not become as important as putting together a publication. I always wanted to have my own magazine as far back as I remember in the 80's thinking that would be like totally radical man....anyway...Here I am and yes I write from time to time still manage to spit out a poem but that is not how I want to be remembered...in the poetry world. I want to be remembered as a publisher, as an inovator as a pioneer in this online publishing business.....
Besides of course being a mommy who has a daughter turning sweet sixteen next month and an ex-husband and his wife putting together a show...Yes one of those parties where they rent a hall and hire a dj and spend money up the wasooooo.......
And here I am staring at this screen wondering where I went wrong or right when I divorced him.
Didi
OK, let me see if I can be coherent. Gideon and I are nursing colds and our hair is full of food and boogars (his, not mine).
1. I hope my post doesn't lead anyone to the assumption that I am anti-career. Not at all. I'm just skeptical when poets who approach poetry as a career. That doesn't mean I'm skeptical of those who make money in some way from poetry, by either teaching or publishing or tattoing. We all need to eat.
It's the difference between painting a Tupac-inspired painting because the subject interests you and churning out "Tupac" paintings because you think that's what will get you noticed and on the Today Show. Both reasons may lead to paintings that get you noticed and on the Today show -- and perhaps even both reasons will lead to the same painting or poems, let's just say poems, why I'm going on about paintings, I don't know.
(OK, I know the hot "hook" as discussed on Bemsha Swing is no longer Tupac, but I'm well into my 30's and totally out-of-it.)
2. Although I haven't been publishing as long as you have, I'm quickly learning that publishing and writing are very different. I love doing both -- but if I'm "career" driven in either field, it would definitely be publishing. I have never selected work because I thought it would win an accolade -- but I do hope it does. I don't submit my own poetry to contests anymore -- but I do submit No Tell poems to Pushcart and not-so-secretly pine for them to be included in anthologies.
I don't think there's anything wrong with poets hoping for acknowledgment for their work. That's healthy. But when it's the motivator or if one doesn't get such acknowledgment and that "destroys" them -- well, that seems to me to be a problem.
[More to come]
3. What magazines should one publish in to get noticed. I suppose it depends on who you want to notice you. Poetry is definitely a segmented population. I don't have a top ten list -- but if my goal was to get noticed and prove myself to my past professors and friends with similar tastes, I'd be trying to place my work in American Poetry Review, Ploughshares, the Paris Review, the Kenyon Review, the New Yorker, etc.
Of course the only above mentioned pub where my work *might* be appropriate would be APR. So if it's really important for me to be noticed by those people, I need to change how I write.
If I want my work to be noticed by non-poets, I should be trying to place my work in publications they read, like local newspapers and newsletters. Jill Alexander Essbaum once told me that she often publishes poems in her church newsletter and reaches thousands of readers (I forget the exact number she said).
I suppose I'm most interested in being noticed by my peers -- I don't align myself with any school or movement or group (other than the New Sincerists -- and they'll let ANYBODY in), so a definitive list would be impossibly to come up with.
That being said, my personal experience with publications that have gotten me some notice would be:
MiPO (by far, the most exposure I have received yet)
Unpleasant Event Schedule
Coconut
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And now I'm looking back at your initial comment and you say "I don't care about anyone else's opinion, I want to know yours" -- oops, OK, let me think about that.
I think you're pretty.
Didi, I sent you my "list" to your gmail account but it bounced, so I forwarded it to your hotmail account.
Not having a "career" in poetry does not make what you do a "hobby."
Not having a "career" does not mean you're not writing great poems or not publishing or not making an "impact" in the world of poetry.
Thanks, today I needed to hear that!
Jimmy, well there's the establishment Bead & Button Magazine -- the POETRY of the beading magazines.
Personally, I admire the work in the Neiman Marcus catalog.
I can list the best cruise lines to go and why and I can also tell you what ship is where in July if you put a gun to my head and I needed to save my life by giving you the answer. But then that would mean you are some kind of nutty broad.
d.
I have never been able to find the poems on LIT. I saw the list you posted before you emailed me.
Anyway if I could find the poems on LIT, I would read them. I have to go back and check the others you mentioned again to see why they are important to you.
d.
you are pretty- quite pretty- and you are a very good poet IMO, and I don't give a rat's ass where you've been published.
(Disclaimer- I had a class with David Baker, of the Kenyon Review- he said the chances are so slim anyone could get a poem in there- they get soooo many, so that would impress me but I'd still have to like the poem)
I want a career as an exceedingly wealthy woman who has time to write when I want to and could afford to sprinkle money over poetry events and sines and people I like.
oh- BTW I LOVE the No Tell Bedside- it is a wonderful collection.
Didi -- LIT is a print journal I think they only print a couple poems from their journal online.
Oh, and I am a nutty broad, but lucky for you I get sea sick pretty easily!
Shann -- you got the anthology? Sweet! Thanks.
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